Speculum et Lavacrum

Hate Mail: Mormon Email

I would like to say that I feel like you guys are feeling threatened by
our growing church. If you are attacking our church then you are
feeling threatened. How can you guys say things about our church
when your church has more problems than ours. Not celebrating Christ's
Birthday is not right and you should know that. We don't slander your
church then why are you doing it to ours? I find this 4mormons web site
very offensive. all these people who left our church obviously did not
have a strong testimony of Christ. And when you say we attack the bible
how do we do that? We preach from the bible as much as any other
religion. We live the ten commandments, we are good law abiding
citizens, we don't tear down other religions. I think it is a matter of
feeling threatened. Do you truly think that your church is Christ's
church?

(My Response)

Greetings Sylvan,

Nah, we don't feel threatened, we know that God is sovereign, and no matter
what heretical teaching pops up, it isn't out of His control or
Sovereign will. But in another sense, Mormonism is a threat, as Paul
declared all false Gospels to be a threat to the real one. False Gospels
are also a threat to the souls of men. But we're not threatened by your
growing church. Christ prophesied that men would be lead away because
of their itching ears. Every time in the history of the Christian
church, false teachers rise up and take a percentage with them. It
first started with satan, and has continued to do so. We're not
attacking your church arbitrarily. We're defending the true Gospel as
Scripture tells us to do so. But nonetheless, you must feel threatened
by our ministry, otherwise you wouldn't be attacking it. See how easy
inconsistency can be pointed out? Problems in the church doesn't
invalidate it. Unless you mean doctrinal problems. You don't slander
our church? First off, how are we slandering your church? We're just
saying that it is a false religion and demonstrating how it is. If
that's slander then I don't know what isn't. We're not claiming
anything that's knowably false and just trying to impugn you
unjustly (that's the definition of slander fyi, this is also called
libel). Of course you find our 4witness sight offensive, why wouldn't
you? It tries to demonstrate that that which you hold so dearly, your
worldview, is errant. This isn't meant for mere kicks and giggles so
that we can all have a merry time as we jolly prance our way to death.
We take eternality VERY seriously. There are consequences to what we
believe or don't believe, you know that. Let me ask you this, would you
like to spend all of eternity in hell because of what someone has
ignorantly mislead you with? All the testimonies you see...its not that
they had a weak testimony, its that they had been deceived by the
deceitfulness of their own hearts.

Pro 28:26  He who trusts in his own heart is a fool,
       But he who walks wisely will be delivered.
Jer 17:9  "The heart is more deceitful than all else
       And is desperately sick;
       Who can understand it?

Your church attacks the Bible: check out your own Article 8: We believe the
Bible insofar as it is correctly translated. Mormons use this to sluff
off whatever contradicts their beliefs. So the LDS church attacks its
reliability. You follow the ten commandments? Let me ask you then, how
many times have you lied? have you ever stolen anything, irrelevant of its
value? Have you ever wanted something that is not yours? have you ever
murdered? (Jesus said if you hate someone, you have committed murder in
your heart) Have you ever committed adultery? (Jesus said, you have
heard it said of old you shall not commit adultery but I say to you
that anyone who has lusted has committed adultery already in his own
heart). If you have done any of these, the Bible says that if you fail
in just one element of the law you fail in it all. Let me ask you this,
when you die and are standing before the judgment seat of God, will
you be found innocent or guilty? Bible also states that any liar will
have their place in the lake of fire. And that any adulterer,
fornicator, thief... will have their place in hell. So based on this,
will you go to heaven or hell? Your church doesn't tear down other
religions? Just by the mere fact that you claim to be the true
church excludes all other churches from being true, you are just
tearing other religions down implicitly. Do I truly think that my
church is Christ's church? YOU BETTER BELIEVE I DO. It is holy,
beautiful, and precious in God's sight. It is being sanctified day by
day for God's honor and glory, as a bride set apart for Christ. Perfect
and spotless.

Soli Deo Gloria,
Mark II

(Further Correspondence: by Sylvan)

And
you think your church is the right one? Its not a world view. Do you
honestly think God answers your prayers? Have you had personal
experience of that? Do you even pray to him? I have faith that my
church is the church of God. The whole thing about our members being
burdened down with callings, that's false, no one is obligated to do a
certain calling. It is through our own will. Let me ask you, do you
think Paul says in the scriptures that your church is the right one.
No, it doesn't say any church is right, I would rather be part of a
church who at least professes to be right than a church who says they
are the closest to the church Christ established, but not quit the
same. Did you know through history that many different versions of the
bible have been published? And through history it has been modernized
and tweaked or changed. That's what we mean about as far as it is
translated correctly. How do you know that your church doesn't teach
false doctrines. You make it seem like following your heart in the
decisions you make is a sin. I'd rather fallow my heart in finding
truth than believe every wind of doctrine that comes my way. The
Scripture in proverbs you gave me I think means that he who thinks he
doesn't need God is a fool and he relies on the flesh for all the
decisions he makes is a fool. And a quick question. Are your ministers
paid?

(My Response)

Yes, we think our church is the right
one, is that so hard to believe? Do you even know what the term
"worldview" means? Yes God answers our prayers. And OH YES we do pray,
every day. You may have faith in your church, we don't deny that. We're
just saying that its not a saving faith because you've placed your
faith in something that cannot save you. Faith is only as good as the
object in which it is placed. Does Paul say that our church is the
right one? We believe that our church is inline with the Biblical model
if that answers your question. Whether a church professes to be the
right one is really irrelevant. Its whether that's true or not, and
that comes from studying the Bible, not what you feel. Did I know that
there are many different versions of the Bible in print? Yes, I did. So
what? You didn't deal with what I said. That being that LDS take the 8th
Article and use it to trump the Bible. I know what the Article says, I'm
objecting to how it is used. We know our church doesn't teach false
doctrines because we place the same amount of scrutiny to our own
churches as we do yours. We place all propositions under the scope of
Scripture. We're not saying that following your heart is a sin, we're
saying that Scripture says that its foolish, and that its not a way to
validate truth propositions. Following your heart will lead you to
following every wind of Doctrine. Let me ask you this, how do you know
your heart isn't lying to you, since the Bible says that its evil. I
didn't just give you a Scripture from Proverbs only. You should post
the context of the passage and demonstrate how you arrived at your
conclusions. And focus on "the heart is deceitfully wicked above all
else". The Bible says that we're to test all things to the Bible, and
that's how we'd know if its true or not.
Not to pray about it.

Soli Deo Gloria,
Mark II

(Separate Email from Sylvan)

Have you ever heard of the atonement of Christ? He suffered for us
in the Garden of Eden. If we fall short He is there to pick us up.
If we can stand before God at the judgment day and honestly say we
have done our best Christ will take our lashings for the things we
have done wrong in life. No one is perfect, you know that, then why
are you saying you are perfect. by the way it sounds you don't
believe in the atonement of Christ. The way you sound you are putting
yourself above others who have weaknesses. You think you obey the
ten commandments? Have you looked deeply into them not by just what
they say? I believe Christ to be my savior and mediator. I am not
perfect but I will try my best to do what he wants me to do in this
world before he come again.

(My Response)


Thanks for not answering my questions. I do believe in the atonement of
Christ. But its not the same as what you believe. Are you serious, can
you PLEASE demonstrate how I was claiming to be perfect? I never ever
ever claimed that. You completely missed the point of my questions.
What I am saying is that no matter how hard you try, you'll never make
it. You believe that you do your best and Christ does the rest. Paul
said that its either all of Christ or its all of you, not both. And if
it is all of you, then you're in big trouble, because you've failed.
Paul said, if it is by works then it is no longer then by grace. Your
God is only an exalted sinful man, as well as Jesus. Or is Jesus more
righteous than your god? The Bible says that all those who are guilty
of sin must die. How can your god pass a perfectly just and righteous
judgment upon sinners when he himself is guilty? How can a sinner
atone perfectly for another sinner? When the lamb is blemished, it is
unacceptable to the Father and worthy of death in the Old Testament.
How do you correlate the Old Testament and New Testament's teaching of
atonement with what you believe? And by the way, I'm a Calvinist, and I
believe in Total Depravity, hence I would never claim to be perfect.

Soli Deo Gloria,
Mark II